Обсуждение:Нидерландско-российские отношения
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..В время Второй мировой войны немало голландских солдат участвовало в войне на стороне фашистской Германии..
This is grossly biased POV and very unfair. Holland was occupied by Germany 10 may 1940 mostly thanks to the Ribbentrop/Molotov agreement. The Dutch government did not collaborate and continued the fight from exile in London. Many Dutch sailors died in the Arctic ocean providing Murmansk with many necessities. Our merchant fleet was essential for that. Jcwf 02:21, 3 января 2016 (UTC)
- 55 thousand Hollanders volunteered to SS. How is it unfair to give it a mention? Also how did the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact concern Holland? --eugrus 02:35, 3 января 2016 (UTC)
- It is fine to mention that, but not if that is the only thing mentioned. Yes, there were a few percent collaborators, but the rest of us got repressed ending in a terrible man-made famine. And yes the attacks on Poland, Scandinavia and us were facilitated by the R/M treaty, while Stalin was good friends with Hitler. He thought... Don't you think the story could be a bit more balanced than trying to depict us as nazi-supporters? Besides, there are other things worth mentioning. E.g. that the Dutch government in exile finally recognized the Soviet Union on july 10th 1942 in Dutch — Эта реплика добавлена участником Jcwf (о • в) 03:52, 3 января 2016 (UTC)
- It may well be that the article, being, as I see, basically written by just one author, has neutrality issues. But back to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact: don't you then feel that the Great Britain and France due to the Munich Agreement thought, following your logic, they were good friends with Hitler and facilitated the attacks on the Soviet Union and the Netherlands? Was aber die Formulierung hier angeht, das Wort "немало" bedeutet ungefähr soviel, wie das deutsche "etliche". Das suggeriert eine beträchtliche, aber nicht überwältigende Tendenz. --eugrus 19:52, 3 января 2016 (UTC)
- It is fine to mention that, but not if that is the only thing mentioned. Yes, there were a few percent collaborators, but the rest of us got repressed ending in a terrible man-made famine. And yes the attacks on Poland, Scandinavia and us were facilitated by the R/M treaty, while Stalin was good friends with Hitler. He thought... Don't you think the story could be a bit more balanced than trying to depict us as nazi-supporters? Besides, there are other things worth mentioning. E.g. that the Dutch government in exile finally recognized the Soviet Union on july 10th 1942 in Dutch — Эта реплика добавлена участником Jcwf (о • в) 03:52, 3 января 2016 (UTC)