Обсуждение:Битва у Чёрного леса

Ivan Yaroslavich

The article stated that in the battle Yaroslav participated ```with his son Ivan``` (Ярослава (с сыном Иваном). There is no justification for this statement which is wrong, totally false and invented.

The article refers to Ivan as Иван Ярославич (княжич луцкий). However the list of princes of Lutsk Луцкое княжество doe not include any Иван Ярославич, the only Ярославич on ths list being Ингварь Ярославич. Also, the article about Ярослав Изяславич shows that he had four children, but none of them Иван.

These contradictions are not acceptable if Russian Wikipedia is supposed to be a reliable source of information. I have attempted to correct this error, but my correction has been rejected. This means that the contradictions between the information of various articles still exists. I would have supposed that the Russian Wikipedians would have been less superficial and instead of simply rejecting a correction would have take the steps required to justify the information and to eliminate the contradictions in the various articles covering the same topic.

Sorry, I have difficulties writing in Russian, especially as I am not familiar with the Russian keyboard.Afil (обс.) 19:57, 5 мая 2018 (UTC)

Да, писать Ивана необоснованно, убрал. Видимо, я поставил его потому что Ярослав Изяславич был единственным подходящим Ярославом из всех князей того времени. Нашёл у Соловьёва http://www.magister.msk.ru/library/history/solov/solv02p5.htm, что этот Иван был не Ярославичем, а Юрьевичем. Но и Ингваря там не было, летопись не указывает.--Max 04:51, 6 мая 2018 (UTC)